Timeline for How do you tell an answerer that you think their answer needs work?
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| Mar 1, 2018 at 6:28 | comment | added | user | Some suggestions for that: A) change the "comments have been moved to chat" into "comments ... to chat; use comments only asking clarification; comment-policy on IPS is different than other sites [link]", B)create a canonical answer to explain exactly all the points raised so you don't always get the same complaints, C) mention that all solutions to the comment->discussion problem are bad, so you enforce the least bad, D1) (optionally) keep 1-3 constructive comments, or D2) disallow any comment (excluding clarification) and move them all to a chat room. | |
| Mar 1, 2018 at 6:21 | comment | added | user | I think you should mention in your answer that: 1.long discussion on IPS are a recurring problem, 2.could lead to this site being closed, 3.why commenting on sites like IPS won't work like in SO (where flaws are pointed out in comment and remain at the top without being deleted). And unless you find a solution on how to reduce "why my constructive and polite flaw-pointing comment was deleted", such discussions will pop up forever. | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 15:36 | comment | added | Shog9 | Observe what I did with comments on this very question, @fermi - I've moved to this approach on multiple sites when they get too numerous and become a distraction, as it allows a dedicated reader to figure out what happened without requiring an archaeology expedition from the vast majority of casual readers. And does effectively stop further comments in most cases without complaints. | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 6:25 | comment | added | user | @Shog9 perhaps you are right, other sites have less discussion. We could have mods delete everything except 1-2 obviously useful top comments. "obviously" is very subjective though, but perhaps worth the try even on chatty-sites. (or not worth, if it causes large amount of "you deleted this because of your biases") | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 6:22 | comment | added | user | @Shog9 i m pretty sure you ll find value in the political demographics of SE. But be cautious of polarizing the community if you try to gather/share such data. IPS is turning into an echo-chamber. Political correctness ("everyone's feelings are super important"; more important than reality) seems to be dominant and that repels anyone disagreeing with it effectively creating an echo chamber ("there's consensus among IPS community", well yeah, it figures; dissidents left). | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 6:18 | comment | added | Shog9 | I think you're underestimating both the frequency with which comments are deleted elsewhere and posted here, @fermi. A comment on an answer on Stack Overflow stands a good chance of being one of one to three total comments; the comments that sparked this question competed with dozens. Whatever utility comments might have when used sparingly disappears in this context. | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 6:07 | comment | added | user | @Shog9 top comments being missed doesn't disprove it, it merely shows it doesn't work 100% of the time, which is fine. (for the record i read your comment yesterday, but didn't reread it today). Both in your comment and answer, you downplay the effectiveness of top comments. Also, useful comments being deleted is a problem actually, not a necessary evil. And since you agree that theoretically top comments can be useful to visitors, then we are agree that the moderation rules of this site have a drawback that many other SE sites don't. We disagree on its magnitude. | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 5:47 | comment | added | Shog9 | Yeah, that's the theory, @fermi. OTOH, I said that in my last comment on this post, which is currently the most highly voted comment on this post, and you completely missed it... So maybe not such a great theory. | |
| Feb 28, 2018 at 5:43 | comment | added | user | Highly upvoted comments are visible without the need to expand the comment section. Isn't that so that they point out useful elements about a post? (including its flaws) Isn't this a way that is used all the time on SO to point out security flaws, bad design, etc? Isn't it useful to visitors? | |
| Feb 27, 2018 at 22:50 | comment | added | Aaron | @YvetteColomb wrote "We can't save everyone or have a thesis over every wrong." Correct. But we can put a simple little comment on a Stack Exchange post that we just read. | |
| Feb 27, 2018 at 21:24 | comment | added | user57 | There's a lot of misleading stuff on the internet - pays to have a discerning mind. We can't save everyone or have a thesis over every wrong. | |
| Feb 27, 2018 at 20:52 | comment | added | Shog9 | That's only true if you're one of the first 5 people to comment, one of the top 5 most-voted comments, or manage to get a moderator to delete all the comments except yours, @Aaron. Which... Is often not the case here. Comments aren't very searchable, most of 'em aren't even indexed, and they can and are deleted at the drop of a hat. If you can put a succinct, compelling warning in a comment, go right ahead - but don't pin all of your hopes on that. And as soon as you post a second comment... Consider that you're probably wasting your time by saying anything further. | |
| Feb 27, 2018 at 20:48 | comment | added | Aaron | "wrong, misleading, dangerous [...] comment is probably insufficient to address it." But a comment is right there directly below answer which the user just read. Within the framework we have, that is the best place for that information and is more likely to be seen by many of us. "expecting the next reader to pause [...] and say to themselves '[...] I better read those first'" Yes, I do that all the time. In fact, I have often found great info in comments lacking from answers and dodged bullets in answers that comments warned of. So do both: comment, and make better answer if you can. | |
| Feb 27, 2018 at 19:43 | history | edited | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Feb 27, 2018 at 19:27 | history | edited | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
make this explicit, since it's the only reason to bother doing anything
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| Feb 27, 2018 at 19:15 | history | answered | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |